On the Snout: Septic Tanks and Martin County
When I first moved here I lived in my house for about nine months before I bought it. I love my house. I wanted to live in an older house near the Indian River Lagoon on the same land the AIS Indians lived on thousand of years ago. Ancient sand dunes.
An incredible lagoon. With flying fish. Dolphins that live here and grace us. Water that I swam in. I bought a Kayak.
I chose this house by myself with the help of local real estate person. She never told me that there were discharges that would come and destroy my life and make it impossible to take my family to the water which is why I moved here in the first place.
When I purchased my house I called the water department to get my water hooked up. I was told who ever lived here never paid some assessment and it would cost me 2500 dollars to hook up. Then I found out I would have to pay thousands of dollars to bring the plumbing to the street where the water hook up. The nasty guy on the other end of the phone told me I could put it on my credit card when I asked if I could pay it off at a hundred dollars a month. The whole thing would have been paid off long ago.
He did me a favor.
I love my well. I have a great well guy that keeps it going and I have great water. So I’m keeping the well along with my money.
But having to deal with Martin County makes me very nervous.
This situation to me is no different from the Bear Hunt we just had. There is no in-between and no consideration for the people who live here. Let me just throw this headline at you!
I’m not opposed to sewage hook up but when the issue of our septic tanks came up I did a lot research and I called my brother in law who builds green houses in Colorado. These places have all kinds of poop disposing systems. I asked him a bunch of questions and he told to be kind to my septic and it will be kind to me. Nothing goes down there unless it came of out me or in the case of the washing machine and dishwasher I use all those eco products that you buy at the health food store and enzymes. I had one issue once when i was out of town and the pump on my well went and I had a flood.
As I go around I simply cannot believe the things that people put down into their septic tank. Kitty litter (why not just put it in a bag), Food from the disposal (again why would you do that ?) all kind of chemicals , medications. It reminds me of the things I used to see working in the er. “You put what where? No kidding!” “Where did you put the penny?” “Oh up my nose.”
When I tell my patients all these things are really not a good idea they are responsive. Many of them simply have not thought it through. They are thankful. It’s so easy to be kind and educate people.
So instead of writing a headline that says this TC Palm:
Research: Septic systems ‘primary’ source of river, reef pollution
Write something about educating people on what they need to do for their septic tanks.
When I moved here before the discharges the water was awesome.
This was June 2013
This was August 2013 after the discharges
I understand the hot spots of old palm city and golden gate. I have smelled the stuff from the north fork and its brutal. Why is PSL not doing anything about that? Why is their poop our poop? Why are they not educating their citizens on how to deal with their septic systems. Why?
But at the same time that we are being vilified houses are being built with septic. The septic has been extended so builders can build more houses. Houses in Rio on the old Frances Langford property have been approved. They will all have septic because the sewage doesn’t go up that far. How does this make any sense?
When I drive up Indian River Drive all kinds of houses are being built.
The subject of septic tanks come up frequently because of our lagoon. There are indeed spots are filled with bad things that probably come from septic and the same time you have Ocean Breeze adding all kinds of new units? Where is their sewage going? What about the new houses that are going to built in Rio near Palmer? What is that awful smell when you drive up Indian River Drive and your across from the Power Plant? It smells like dead fish.
The other thing is many millions have been spent so developers can develop. Like the sewage half way thru Rio so this guy can build his monstrosity but the rest of us get screwed. The circle with the plants that endlessly have to be maintained.
Martin County hired Dr Brian Lapointe to do this study. He has done others and has always come to the same conclusions.
It’s the poop!
American Planning Association Meeting
So here is the article from the TC Palm:
There are more but you get the pictures.
That’s why this blog is literally on the snout!
I hate to even post because I can’t post the whole thing and you have to be a subscriber to see the rest. It’s pains me but I think this is one of the reason we can’t widen our circle of friends is because we can’t share articles. (as opposed to kicking butt with the Bear Hunt and the endless shareable article and blogs)
Research: Septic systems ‘primary’ source of river, reef pollution
is the title. Is this what we can expect from the TC Palm from now on? Really? This headline is straight out of the Sunshine State News. Ex Editor Nancy Smith would be proud.
The huge plumes from the discharges from Lake Okeechobee have nothing to do with this?
Please see before and after photos above.
This headline sounds like its funded by Big Sugar. ( who btw was running some very expensive ads a little while back)
“Septic systems are a primary source of St. Lucie River pollution, according to a soon-to-be-released study Martin County-commissioned from the Florida Atlantic University’s Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute.
The finding refutes an opinion popular with some local officials and environmentalists that Lake Okeechobee discharges and fertilizer in agricultural runoff are the primary sources.
“We’re not saying there are no pollutants from (agriculture); there are,” said Brian Lapointe, a Harbor Branch research professor and study team leader. “But sewage from septic tanks is a significant contributor, in fact a primary contributor, to nutrients damaging the estuary and the reefs offshore.”
There is a lot of science in his study that need to be gone thru.
““We confirmed that the areas with a high concentration of septic systems had nitrates and phosphates in the groundwater and in the ditches leading to the St. Lucie,” Lapointe said. “Then we found that sewage is getting into the estuary and being taken by tides out to the reefs, where it’s causing a chain reaction that’s literally killing the reefs.”
How he managed to do this when we are continually get discharges from Lake Okeechobee baffles me.
Hey if that’s the case just open up the gates and let it all out!
But they can’t. Because it’s not that simple.
Maggy Hurchalla sent this out in an email sent out this morning.
“No one I know ever questioned the fact that septic systems are polluting the river.
That’s why we amended the comp plan to put our strong local restrictions back into ch 10.
The pro-development commissioners took them out in 2009 and announced that the minimum state rules were enough.
Those state rules are totally inadequate. They allow new subdivisions to have 5 septic systems per acre. They allow new apartments and condos to use septic systems. They allow super sized systems of 10,000 gpd.
The Commission adopted the amendment to the Sewer chapter of the comp plan almost a year ago. It’s still being challenged by developers. The judge ruled in the county’s favor. It is now waiting for a final opinion. Doug Smith and John Haddox voted against it. They were joined by ex-mayor Sasser from Pahokee and the One Florida group and the King Ranch and other AG interest.
The arguments against the amendment included;
– It was unfair to limit septic in new developments until all existing septic systems had been hooked up to sewer. They seemed to think you shouldn’t close the barn door until all the horses that got out earlier were caught.
– the amendment was not about helping the river. It was created by an environmental extremist (me) to stop growth.
– big agricultural septic systems don’t pollute.
Martin County has fewer septic systems than any other county on the Lagoon because we had strict rules for new development from 1982 to 2009.
That is not an excuse for doing nothing. We know that areas of high density and high water tables and old septic systems are causing problems. They don’t have to be waterfront to cause problems if their drainage ditch goes to the river.
Sasser went so far as to suggest that Lake O discharges were a problem only because out septic effluent flowed back into the Lake and then back to the river.
That kind of dumb doesn’t need an answer.
(me hahahaha funny)
The study does not show that septic systems are a bigger problem than Lake discharges.
It does not show they are the only problem.
It does not show that they are a worse problem in Martin than in other counties. The North Fork has a big problem coming down from Port St. Lucie.
The study does show that we have stuff in the water coming from septic tanks. We knew that. Now we know it for sure.
Sewering the whole county all at once is not a good solution.
Setting up a funding source and connecting up the top priority areas first is a good solution.
CRA funds could be used to help subsidize hookups in Old Palm City and in Golden Gate.”
Thank You Maggy for reaching out to me! See if I can live with this! Why because its a fair assessment of the situation. It’s grounded in Maggy logic.
Charles Grande, Former PSL Commish said this.
“How sad the headline implies septics are “The” source as opposed to one of several, and certainly not The big one. Without Lake O discharges, the other sources make it tough on our waterways but, we can address those problems locally, over time, and the waterways will survive. When they dump the Lake on us, our water ways are impacted beyond our ability to respond and living things (plants, animals, and people) die. Everyone should read Maggy’s response stressing “The study does not show that septic systems are a bigger problem than Lake discharges” and “The study does not show they are the only problem?”
Thank you Charles.
Kevin Stinette, former Indian Riverkeeper said this:
It bothers me to see “Septic systems are a primary source of St. Lucie River pollution, …” and then, “The finding refutes an opinion popular with some local officials and environmentalists that Lake Okeechobee discharges and fertilizer in agricultural runoff are the primary sources.”
All are primary sources.
Taking sides and contending that one or justifies the other makes no sense. Our estuary needs to go on a nitrogen diet. We need to stem the flow of nitrogen wherever we can. Stormwater runoff, discharges from canals and septic tank sources all put more nitrogen into the water than the system can handle.
It is hard to argue against Dr. Lapointe’s assertion that, “… sewage from septic tanks is a significant contributor, in fact a primary contributor, to nutrients damaging the estuary and the reefs offshore.”
Why argue over whether either source is “a” contributor or “the” contributor? Big sugar loves to foster such arguments, as though they are justified in having hijacked our water treatment systems south of the lake because coastal residents have septic tanks. People who don’t want any constraints on pollution love to join in arguing that we shouldn’t have to clean up after ourselves because agricultural discharges are so obviously destructive in the rainy years.
Hooking up to municipal sewers only injects the waste deeper into our aquifer where it will eventually migrate into our waters.
While we make the transition to sewers, there are solutions short of $11K hookups. Why don’t we consider grey water systems to use water from washing machines to water lawns? Other water conservation measures would limit the mix of grey water in septic tanks give the bacteria more time to digest nutrients and slow the migration of nitrogen toward our waters. Maximizing vegetation between septic tanks and canals and rivers could turn the nitrogen into trees and shrubs and assist in sequestering carbon dioxide.
We need to confront nutrient pollution on all fronts, not square off to argue about who is doing the most damage.”
So as we can all see the situation is complicated. Do we have a septic issue? Yes DO we have Discharge issue? Yes DO we have a nitrogen problem? Yes Do we have very knowledgeable people that disagree? Yes
There are a lot of issues.
The last one I want to address is this quote from Dr Lapointe.
“The utility department would pay 30 percent of the cost; property owners would pay 70 percent, about $11,750 per parcel.
“The fix is expensive,” Lapointe said, “but living in paradise ain’t cheap.”
Pretty cavalier! Apparently he does not know that in June 2012 (I’m not sure what the numbers are now)
More than 27 percent of kids on Treasure Coast going hungry
There are people in this county that are old, disabled and get 15 dollars a month for food stamps. That’s if they are lucky.
I’m sure they will be able to come with that 11,750. Maybe we could set up GOFUNDMESEPTIC HOOKUP SITES!
There’s so much more to discuss but that’s for another day. Please me join me at this meeting.
I think there are some places that need to be hooked up and we have to figure out a way to do that. But I also think there is a lot of education that needs to go on so lets all put our thinking caps on. And please lets stop making grand headlines when they are not quite true or right for the people that live here.
Brian Lapointe, a research professor at Florida Atlantic University’s Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute at Fort Pierce, will talk about his team’s study on the impact of septic systems on the St. Lucie River estuary and nearshore reefs.
What: Martin County Commission meeting
When: 9 a.m. Nov. 3
Where: Commission Chambers, 2401 S.E. Monterey Road, Stuart
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Your post is misleading about Port St. Lucie. PSL forced its citizens to build a citywide water and sewer system and connect to it as soon as each septic tank failed. That happened in the ’90s. PSL has done far more than Martin County to spare local waterways. It was expensive (about $7,000 per lot even back then), citizens balked, but it got done.
hi Nancy. How are you? Charles grande said the same thing. That is a quote from Maggy and I will ask her about that and I will go back and make sure that people understand it’s a quote. Thank you for pointing that out.
I fixed it. Thanks for pointing that out. There are a few other things like its out there that there are thousand of septic tanks that have never been inspected and I think that’t just not true. People buy houses. They have their tanks inspected. Also I have heard from people who wanted to use new technology such as compostable toilets and were denied. Thirdly. There are people in this county that can’t afford 200 dollars to suck out the septic as they live on 800 dollars a month. Last: There are things people could have been done all this time and no one has educated anyone. Instead they just fight with each other.